Plymouth Cop denied treatment in Mansfield, met by cops with guns drawn?

It must depend on where cops are called for gun toting citizens. In Ontario cops were called for a man reported who was concealed carrying that revealed (open carry) while in the store. In Ontario one officer showed up, gun was NOT drawn, subject was confronted with no problems. In Mansfield guns are drawn and we wonder how people get shot? Luckily this incident ended as well without casualty how ever the perspectives below show how many perspectives there are out there? I’m just glad they didn’t send the RCSO Deputy’s who responded to the text “just so you know I now have a gun too” who shot and killed the man even though he didn’t have a gun? Calls to 911 in fear of what might happen can have grave results, glad nobody was hurt.

Officer with gun reports he was denied treatment

Kaitlin Durbin, kdurbin@nncogannett.com 11:33 a.m. EDT April 13, 2015

MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS…HOW DID THEY KEEP THIS QUIET FOR 2 MONTHS, AND WHY ARE THEY EVEN SAYING ANYTHING NOW? 

THE STORY SAYS…NO SIGNS WERE POSTED DEPICTING NO GUNS????? I WOULD SUE EVERYONE INVOLVED INCLUDING THE MPD FOR DRAWING WEAPONS, PUBLIC SAFETY MY REAR END!!!! – THIS GOES TO SHOW YOU THE DIRECTION MANSFIELD IS HEADING – PERIOD!!!!

MANSFIELD – Officer safety is a chief concern in the streets, but now some are questioning it at care facilities, too.

Two months ago, Plymouth officer Wayne Liggett Sr. said he was denied treatment at Walk In Urgent Care, 1341 S. Trimble Road, because he was carrying his duty weapon. Even after it was verified he was a police officer and legally within right to carry his firearm, he was asked to leave, he said.

Eyesight problems brought him to the clinic Feb. 8.

The officer, who has been in law enforcement for 33 years, said he was seeing floaters and flashes of light in his vision and knew something wasn’t right. He called ahead to the urgent care to ensure they had equipment to view the eye.

In a private room, an employee asked him to remove his jacket to take his vitals. As a courtesy, Liggett said he told the person he was carrying his duty weapon under his shirt, in case they would see it. He also had written down on the sign-in form he was employed as a Plymouth police officer, he said.

The employee took his vitals, said the doctor would be in soon and left.

The next knock at the door Liggett didn’t expect.

Several Mansfield Police Department officers told him to come out slowly with his hands up. More than one of them were pointing their firearm at him, he said.

Liggett said he was placed in handcuffs while police verified his identity as an auxiliary officer, which took only minutes. He was carrying his badge and ID in his wallet.

Mansfield police did not file an official report on the incident. The only documentation on the matter is an event report showing dispatch logs.

But after releasing him and returning his .45 Smith and Wesson, Liggett was told the staff still refused to treat him, and he was escorted from the building. There was no sign at the facility denying concealed carry, Liggett said.

He called his eye doctor and had an appointment the next day, where he found out he had a tear in his right retina. He was in surgery by the end of the week.

On Monday, he undergoes a second surgery on the same eye for cataracts.

“They were very unprofessional with how they treated me,” Liggett said. “Something could have been seriously wrong.”

Urgent care owner Muzhar Hussain declined to comment.

The incident was cause for concern for Plymouth Police Chief Charles Doan. He questioned how other law enforcement officers will be treated in an emergency and whether the urgent care mishap was an isolated incident.

“Officers carry to be prepared, and citizens do too,” Doan said. “If you have a concealed carry and get hurt, are they going to say, ‘Get him out of here?’ ”

According to the Ohio Revised Code, officers are exempt from any concealed carry prohibitions. The federal Law Enforcement Officers’ Safety Act supports the same.

Paul Johnson, director of security at OhioHealth MedCentral Mansfield Hospital, said that facility have rules and signs prohibiting people from carrying in the hospital.

If a patient comes in and happens to be carrying their firearm, staff members will ask him or her to take the gun to a vehicle, if possible. If it’s an emergency situation, staff will store the firearm in a locked safe until the patient is recovered and outside of the hospital walls, he said.

But those rules don’t apply to law enforcement.

“Most law enforcement are required to carry whether on or off duty,” Johnson said. “They’re never really off.”

kdurbin@gannett.com

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COMMENTS

 

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Mike yes I’m referring to the rash actions in the GARBER case. The officer said he heard a shot fired by Brian… Which was impossible since Brian didn’t have a gun. Most people think out a plan quite a while at work before deciding on an action. As I’ve said many times the situation had de escalated at the time and time was on the officers side.

10 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

All I know is the laws are giving a huge amount of power to the police.

10 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

Mike monro no he was an officer in mansfield for most of them 33 years

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Silas J Marner ·

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

It seems to me that an urgent care center is a “public accommodation,” and must treat everyone without prejudice. There is no dispute that the officers’ posession of a firearm was constitutionally protected. Have we not been hearing for the past few weeks that once you open a business, you lose the right to reject customers based on personal beliefs?

1 · 11 hrs

Matt Carter ·

Road Maintenance Supervisor at Milton Twp

I find it very sad that people look at our weapons as being bad the 100 that I own have never hurt anyone and yes I Cary one everyday

1 · 11 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

If you use the thot that the medical facility is a dangerous place, I don’t agree. If it was, police would be stationed there all the time.

Matt Carter ·

Road Maintenance Supervisor at Milton Twp

Well best thing would be if some idiot was inthere with an infected needle stabbing people and not one armed citizen or law enforcement show up to help maybe that would change there views

11 hrs

Crystal Sheriff ·

North Central State College

It flat out bs

12 hrs

Hallie Whitmore Babin

Believe it or not, the same policy applies in combat zone. Weapons of any sort were not allowed in our ER, even in Iraq, during a time of war. It’s the safety of the medical personnel that’s in jeopardy, not the individual carrying the firearm.

1 · 12 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

If you want to prove to the community that you care I think it would have been better if he understood not everyone is keen on a gun in their establishment.

15 hrs

Jeff Mills ·

Liberty University

Idiotic people. They are unprofessional and Mansfield pd was out of there place as well. They have nothing better to do and probably made them feel like big boys getting to actually draw their guns on one of their own. What stupidity

15 hrs

Shannon Nicole Rose ·

Cashier at Smokers Choice 3

I think there really rude there anyway. But this is messed up.

16 hrs

Karen Mascazzini ·

Self Employed and Loving It! at Karen’s Custom Cleaning, Bellville, Ohio

Shame on them for treating him this way!

1 · 16 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Ron, and some cry because they did call the police.

17 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

its because the police should have never been called! It says he let them know he was a Police Officer, and also politely informed them, although he didnt have to, he was carrying his fiream. This was a waste of taxpayer money! Someone in fear because they dont know the law.

1 · 16 hrs

Tim Winningham

Good stuff on this one… Of course, most law-enforcement agencies prohibit the appointed auxiliary-police from carrying their badge when off duty, even though they must carry their auxiliary-police ID at all times. Furthermore, they are usually prohibited from engaging in any enforcement activities when not explicitly on duty. Mr. Leggett was an off duty auxiliary policeman at the time. He also was not in a life-threatening state at his time of service. Whether or not he was “service-fit” is of your opinion.

In addition, there is currently a controversy sounding events such as this and whether the LEOSA, singed into law by George Bush in 2004, applies to off-duty regular, auxiliary, and retired officer “carry” laws. This has been a hot topic in the NRA over the past couple of years, so to say that Urgent Care is way out of line, is a bit of a stretch since this is a national debate. I’m not saying they are right or wrong, but certainly all have entered the debate now.

Being that the care center took vitals and decided the man was in no immediate danger, I see no reason to believe Mr. Leggett was severely hampered outside of his hurt feelings. Obviously he wasn’t done any worse by waiting another day to see an eye specialist, which would have most likely been the outcome even if Urgent Care fully treated him to Liggett’s satisfaction.

Based on Urgent Care’s reaction, I would guess that Mr. Liggett’s decision to carry is in the minority, though that doesn’t make it right or wrong.

The rest of this article involves smoke and mirrors to distract someone from the real issue of who exactly is exempt from conceal carry and what are the rights of a business to deny services to conceal carriers.

Without a doubt, what we do have here is sensationalism by the Plymouth Police Department and Mr. Liggett to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt regarding whether or not someone can seek medical care while carrying a weapon. I say someone because Mr. Liggett was an off duty auxiliaryman. Chief Doan might disagree and say all those associated with his department should be above the rights of regular civilians. I wouldn’t fault him if he did make that statement on behalf of his staff.

Most troubleing is that there is a public-shaming aspect to this story as a way for law enforcement to bully their way to a resolution in their respective favor. It probably isn’t far to lay all that blame on Chief Doan as perhaps the Urgent Care aspect of the shaming is merely limited by the article author. But certainly, Chief Doan is guilty of shaming all of us to agree that those associated with law enforcement are in grave danger if they are not treated for their mishaps while carrying a weapon, completely ignoring the fact they have a one-eyed reserve-cop packing heat stirring up the pot. It sure beats working the funeral procession patrol. Now shame on me.

1 · 18 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

He has 33 years of law enforcement under his belt! I would bet it wasnt all as a volunteer, auxillary officer.

1 · 17 hrs

Ellen Weirich ·

Mansfield St. Peters

I won’t be going there for treatment!!

2 · 18 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Police have more power than I’d like to see.
If they’re afraid and think someone has a gun, they can feel free to shoot them.
They can take guns everywhere and anytime, and all the time.

1 · 18 hrs

Ron Dillon ·

University of Parris Island

They will be the first ones to cry when some nut comes in and starts shooting and by chance no cops as patients carry service pistols. Be careful what you wish for!

2 · 18 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

HR-218 states that he as an officer is allowed to carry as the CHL laws do NOT apply to officers of the law. END OF STORY

To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former
law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed
handguns.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Law Enforcement Officers Safety
Act of 2004’’.
SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF
CONCEALED FIREARMS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code,
is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:
‘‘§ 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law
enforcement officers
‘‘(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any
State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is
a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification
required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm
that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce,
subject to subsection (b).
‘‘(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit
the laws of any State that—
‘‘(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict
the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or
‘‘(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any
State or local government property, installation, building, base,
or park.
‘‘(c) As used in this section, the term ‘qualified law enforcement
officer’ means an employee of a governmental agency who—
‘‘(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the
prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the
incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has
statutory powers of arrest;
‘‘(2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;
‘‘(3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the
agency;
‘‘(4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency
which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use
of a firearm;
H. R. 218—2
‘‘(5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating
or hallucinatory drug or substance; and
‘‘(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a
firearm.
‘‘(d) The identification required by this subsection is the photographic
identification issued by the governmental agency for which
the individual is employed as a law enforcement officer.
‘‘(e) As used in this section, the term ‘firearm’ does not include—
‘‘(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the
National Firearms Act);
‘‘(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this
title); and
‘‘(3) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of
this title).’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such
chapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section
926A the following:
‘‘926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers.’’.

1 · 18 hrs

Emily Kash ·

Mount Vernon Nazarene University (MVNU)

They don’t even keep good records. My regular Dr requested my records for when I went in over the weekend and all they sent over were my blood pressure results. None of the notes they took, no diagnosis, and none of the medicine they prescribed. They also told my husband he had scabies without testing it when he was just having an allergic reaction.

18 hrs

Randy McComas ·

Clear Fork High School

Whether its his right or not isn’t the issue to me. They should handle it the way Med Central handles it for EVERYONES safety. I think the reason why he was there, and the diagnosis made by QUALIFIED medical professionals, concerns me more. He had surgery for a cataract on that same eye that same week and has had, or will have, even more surgery on the eye. I would consider that as impaired. However I’m not a DOCTOR as some act like they are on these posts but common sense tells me no one with eye problems, be they police or citizens, should carry a gun. It would make very nervous if he was a policeman while he had serious vision problems.

19 hrs

Jeff Brewer

in one eye.

1 · 19 hrs

Randy McComas ·

Clear Fork High School

Jeff BrewerAre you serious? With the duties and responsibilities police have I would want an officer wtih unimpaired vision protecting me and my family. By the way I think, and hope, his vision should be correctable.

19 hrs

Jeff Brewer

yup. think im un-strapping because i cant see out of one eye? nope.

3 · 19 hrs

Jeff Brewer

he was off duty. no different than a citizen with a ccw.

1 · 19 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

Jeff Brewer it is way different than a CHL holder. A cop is exempt from any CHL laws. Read the law I posted, HR 218, it allows them to carry ANYWHERE.

18 hrs

Randy McComas ·

Clear Fork High School

Mike Monroe If you had taken the time to read the very first sentence I wrote you could have saved yourself a lot of time. I don’t have a problem with the patrolman’s rights. I am concerned with ANYONE legally carrying a weapon with impaired vision.

18 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

Randy McComas He drove a car to the clinic!

17 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

I’m all for setting up new police protocol then.

20 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Mike, whether he’s bad or not, he doesn’t need his gun in a doctors office. If it was that dangerous we’d all take guns in.

1 · 20 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

Plenty do anyhow. who really cares. The signs are creating the chance for a criminal to come in and massacre defenseless folks. You have to stop believing guns are the problem and believe that the truth is simply bad people with guns is the problem. They have NEVER been allowed to have them but they ALWAYS do have them. No type of laws will ever stop that.

1 · 17 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Mike, freedom to take a gun into a doctors office?

Like · Reply · 20 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

clearly you have still not read the law?? You have the freedoms to voice your opinion, but you had better believe that freedom was given to you by men with guns! The law on concealed carry prohibits the average citizen from taking the gun into a drs office if it is so posted. HOWEVER, that same law does not apply to a COP, PERIOD, END OF STORY. This is blatant discrimination based on FEAR.

Like · Reply · 3 · 20 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former
law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed
handguns.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Law Enforcement Officers Safety
Act of 2004’’.
SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF
CONCEALED FIREARMS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code,
is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:
‘‘§ 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law
enforcement officers
‘‘(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any
State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is
a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification
required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm
that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce,
subject to subsection (b).
‘‘(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit
the laws of any State that—
‘‘(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict
the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or
‘‘(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any
State or local government property, installation, building, base,
or park.
‘‘(c) As used in this section, the term ‘qualified law enforcement
officer’ means an employee of a governmental agency who—
‘‘(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the
prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the
incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has
statutory powers of arrest;
‘‘(2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;
‘‘(3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the
agency;
‘‘(4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency
which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use
of a firearm;
H. R. 218—2
‘‘(5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating
or hallucinatory drug or substance; and
‘‘(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a
firearm.
‘‘(d) The identification required by this subsection is the photographic
identification issued by the governmental agency for which
the individual is employed as a law enforcement officer.
‘‘(e) As used in this section, the term ‘firearm’ does not include—
‘‘(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the
National Firearms Act);
‘‘(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this
title); and
‘‘(3) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of
this title).’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such
chapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section
926A the following:
‘‘926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers.’’.

Like · Reply · 1 · 18 hrs

Steve Sexton ·

Furnace Operator at PGW

How does it feel to get treated like crap just because you’re legally carrying? Serves him right.

1 · 20 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

does he have a history of treating folks bad that are legally carrying?? If not, what gives you the right to make this statement??

3 · 20 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

Community police departments and precincts are assisted by auxiliary police officers in non-hazardous and non-enforcement work. Such work is defined and delegated to them by the relevant police department and the police officer in charge of the department. Though several auxiliary police officers work voluntarily without drawing any wages, some auxiliary law enforcement work attracts a salary paid by the police departments concerned.

An Auxiliary Police Officer’s Duties

Police calls upon auxiliary police officers to supplement their work, if considered necessary. Auxiliary police officers perform jobs other than those that require the use of force; they help in facilitating peace, order, preventing crime, and protecting property and life as required by the police department. Traffic and crowd control, neighborhood patrols, and provision of security at local festivals and concerts could all form part of an auxiliary police officer’s duties.

1 · 21 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Good u trust him. Police are starting to lose their credibility. With me too.

21 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Just don’t call then. Deal with it on your own.

1 · 20 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

O huni im just the start of his family commenting on this….u dont want some of the others too…and when he is around the smaller kids he puts it in a locked breifcase for saftey

2 · 21 hrs

Jeff Brewer

well said

1 · 19 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

This could go on and on but you have your thoughts and I have mine and thank God we are still free to say them. Have a good day

1 · 21 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

you have the freedom to say this, so why are you fine with taking another freedom away from this guy? Once they take one away, the rest will follow….

Like · Reply · 2 · 20 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

Well he is the one that wanted this in the paper for all the comments so was he thinking of his family? My uncle was an auxiliary policeman for years and he also carried his gun even when off duty. He came in my house one day and my then 4 yr old was amazed with his gun. I told him then to take it to his car and not bring it in around the small kids. His problem was ego but mine was for the safety of my family.

21 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

Ya’all neg comments against him just uncalled for toward him n his family and the law that gives him a right to carry it…bet u they put up a firearm sign now!

3 · 21 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

He has carried that gun everywhere that is the first place who has denied him for being a police officer n by law allowed to carry his weapon

1 · 21 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Sandra you may know he’s a good guy… But how would anyone else know?

2 · 21 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

you should not assume he is a bad guy! Have you EVER seen a criminal carry a gun in a holster??? I surely have not ever seen one listed in an evidence report.

3 · 20 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

They did the best thing for all involved by calling Mans. Police to have him escorted out and checking to see that his story was correct. How many nuts have been in paper walking in shooting innocent people? This is why everyone is on alert anymore because you just never know what could happen at anytime.

1 · 21 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

My point exactly why did he have to carry that gun in there in the first place!

2 · 22 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

There ppl being shot everyday who is unarmed….HE went n for MEDICAL issues not to shoot the dam place up!

2 · 22 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

Who cares what he was wearing…and they could asked if he could unload it after mansfield pd confirmed it and he been a police officer my whole life he dont think he better than anyone else cause he has a badge n a gun

1 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

I know someone who was unarmed and shot by the police.
I’m not anti police but I don’t want a jumpy policeman either.

1 · 22 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

please do tell us who it is you know that has been shot as an unarmed civilian. I know of an instance, BUT the police went into the situation being told he had a gun. So tellme thats not the person you are referring to.

1 · 20 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

There comes a time when police are hyper vigilante. That’s not a good thing.

22 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

Sandra he was not in uniform ! not on duty ! and at a medical facility for himself so why not secure his gun until his visit was over? Some people are getting carried away with who they are and what they do and not using their heads to heed off problems.

1 · 22 hrs

Sandra Koren Lamb ·

Cook at Jane’s Hunger Paynes

The bullshit comments not called for…he is a police officer and he has every right to carry! Off duty or not what happens if ur ass is gettin robbed or raped or something and an off duty cop is there? U want them do nothing? BY LAW HE HaS EVERY RIGHT TO CARRY HIS GUN

5 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

I agree with Linda.

22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Rich, you want an armed police officer to be in urgent care and I feel it’s hyper vigilance. You know the police have killed unarmed people because they think they’re reaching for a gun. Right?

22 hrs

Rich Armstrong

With that statement, we are done here. I would strongly suggest you go on a ride a long with officers in the flats of Cleveland. Or do as others like you have done and take the test officers take regarding shoot/no shoot scenarios and you will see it’s not as easy as judging someone after the fact.

1 · 22 hrs

Mike Monroe ·

Butler, Ohio

If you are speaking of the GARBER case you need to just stop! It wasnt found out until AFTERWARDS that he was unarmed. His own Father gave a statement that he believed his son was armed as whatever was under his shirt appeared to be a gun to him, without a doubt. Open your mind and read the reports and statements. They arrived on scene with his wife on the 911 call telling them he had a gun, which she heard from his mother. It was such a scene that the grandmother had taken the kids from that residence and had them in her car. please correct me if I am wrong. I have listened to the 911 calls numerous times and also have read through the 300 plus page report from BCI. I can post the links for you if you would like.

1 · 20 hrs

Linda Shorter ·

Works at Retired

Your an auxiliary police man off duty with a medical problem WHY in the world would you NOT take off your gun and secure it before entering the medical building? Sounds like you have a ego problem to go along with your eye. Maybe a psych evaluation is in store for you now since you wanted this to be in the news for all to see.

1 · 22 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Denying care to a person based on occupation and occupational requirements is discrimination.

3 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Police do not need their guns in urgent care.

1 · 22 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Officers should be permitted to carry their weapons where ever they go. While there have been some who have gone rogue, the number is very very small compared to the number of criminals standing right by you every day without you having a clue the danger you could be in.

Like · Reply · 3 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Rich, bullying to you is if I don’t think an officer needs his gun in urgent care.

22 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Diane, this will go no where. In your world, everyone leaves their weapons at the door of a gun free zone. In reality, that is far from the truth as evidenced by the shootings in hospitals and various clinics around the country. I have the view I’d rather have an officer with a weapon rather than a criminal with a weapon in the clinic.

1 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Rich…. Meaning?

Rich Armstrong

He only had a problem with one eye, that does not incapacitate him from doing his job. While certainly not ideal, he can still function with that problem.

2 · 22 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

He has vision problems and still wants to carry that gun?

23 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Reading skills are a plus on these sites.

  • 1 · 23 hrs

Vicki Snow-Lawhun ·

911 Dispatcher at Richland County EMA

then lets say hes has vision problems and they let him DRIVE ? That is more dangerous then him carrying lol .

1 · 21 hrs

John Hess ·

Crestline, Ohio

He wasnt on duty just leave it in your vehicle…With all the killing by cops lately …they are no differant than anyone else…they can flip like anyone else…

2 · 23 hrs

Rich Armstrong

John, many departments require off duty officers to carry because they really are NEVER off duty in protecting citizens. Whether his department does or not require constant carry, I don’t know, but if he does, he can be written up for not following his protocol.

2 · 22 hrs

Jeff Brewer

keep it in his car so some thug ass can break his window out and steal it? The best place to have a weapon , is on one’s person.

1 · 19 hrs

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

To me it sounds like bullying. I’m not responding if you don’t let me take in my gun.

23 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Certainly, Diane, I want to enter a situation where they are armed and I’m not allowed to be. Sorry – I’m not sacrificing my life for your misguided values. Reading is a basic skill in school. He began experiencing vision problems and went to be checked. One eye mind you and they are trained to shoot with either eye or hand. Btw, bullying would seem to fit you, not me. I’m not trying to browbeat an officer to not carrying while entering a dangerous situation.

1 · 23 hrs

Rich Armstrong

Many departments require officers to carry off duty because they are really never “off duty”. I would consider not ever responding to any incident at this location because of their idiotic attitude.

1 · Apr 13, 2015 4:14am

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Police do kill people who are unarmed by mistake.

1 · Apr 13, 2015 3:36am

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

I don’t take a gun in

Apr 13, 2015 3:35am

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Not usually

Apr 13, 2015 3:34am

Tim Clark ·

Mansfield, Ohio

Crime doesn’t occur in medical facilities?

http://daily-jeff.com/…/teen-shot-at-entrance-to-hospital

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/…/shooting…/Default

Like · Reply · 1 · Apr 13, 2015 2:39am

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Joking right?

Apr 12, 2015 8:22pm

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Yea but why a hospital?

Apr 12, 2015 8:20pm

Terry Krise ·

Road Driver at Fedex Freight, retired

He’s a cop. He should never be with out his wepon.

3 · Apr 12, 2015 8:16pm

Diane Schroer ·

Clear Fork High School

Don’t see a reason he needed to take in gun…

1 · Apr 12, 2015 7:31pm

Jeff Brewer

its his right.

1 · 20 hrs

 

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2 Responses to Plymouth Cop denied treatment in Mansfield, met by cops with guns drawn?

  1. anissa says:

    For all of u who r trying to refute mike Monroe ur wasting ur time his reading comprehension only applies on what he inturprates to be true …….. Any how he was a volunteer in effect no longer on the police force n if we have to abide by no guns in medical facility’s so should he I’m willing to bet a Mansfield PD officer can not walk into a federal building carrying nor would they try

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